10.02.2008

VanceS contributed 110 messages, 6 emotes during 142 minutes. 2008.02.10 04:23:16 Login Room: VirtualVance VanceS joined the room. VanceS left the room. Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. DennisOl: Hey, Vance! RitaZ hugs dear Vance hi VanceS hits the ground and bounces DennisOl: What an image! VanceS hugs Rita RitaZ: (its Vance's avatar) VanceS: hi, Internet's not working at the office so I came home DennisOl: Ah, I see. DennisOl: Good for you! NinaTL joined the room. DennisOl: My avatar has melted into walls a couple of times. VanceS: hi Nina DennisOl: Nina! Hugs! RitaZ: hi, dear room mate Nina! NinaTL hugs everyone NinaTL: Good morning or whatever DennisOl hugs Nina back DennisOl: Or whatever back atcha! NinaTL: Are you talking about SL? I still haven't tried it RitaZ prefers to save hugs for next month, f2f :-) NinaTL will take all the hugs she can get DennisOl: I haven't done anything recently in SL. After the EVO, I'll get back to it. My view so far is that it's interesting but has a steep learning curve. RitaZ: it does, Dennis NinaTL: Part of it is not wanting to fill up my hard drive with it and part of it is having so little time in my FL without it already DennisOl: Yep. RitaZ: I cannot really say I feel too comfortable in SL DennisOl: I hear you, Nina. NinaTL: My husband already sees the computer as a significant rival DennisOl: I don't, either. I think I would have to put in a LOT of time there to feel really comfortable. VanceS: me neither RitaZ: in fcat, I need to kind of think it twice before launching it NinaTL: In a few years when I retire, maybe by then all the kinds will have been worked out! DennisOl: Of course, it may be because even though I like computers and spend a great deal of time online, I'm not a digital native. DennisOl: I guess what I mean by that is that I know how to do some things well, but computers are still "magic boxes" for me and things that seem obvious to many younger people are mysterious to me. RitaZ: Dennis, but you are present in many online spaces..., I think its SL that still looks daunting to many of us VanceS: I don't think there are any DN's in this room DennisOl: I hope you're right about that, Rita. NinaTL: I thought I might try to go along on Daf's tour (is it this week?) DennisOl: DNs??? VanceS: Digital ... NinaTL: but I missed both synchronous sessions this week, friday bec I was subbing and Sat because I didn't know about it--hadn't checked the schedle and then missed it! :-( DennisOl: Ah, thanks. My brain is still a bit molassified. NinaTL: That's right, Dennis, blame the molasses! DennisOl: "Molassify" is a word that my niece invented. VanceS: there is a session with Konrad Glogowski in a couple of hours DennisOl: It means 'move sluggishly and slowly.' NinaTL: Rita, I was looking at a map of Argentina yesterday. How far is Rosario from BA? RitaZ: in SL, Vance? DennisOl: Yep. The Glogowski session is at WiZiQ. NinaTL: in BaW Vance? RitaZ: 3 hs drive, by car VanceS: in WiZiQ, Blogging for educators DennisOl: No, the Glogowski session is for B4E. NinaTL: Argentina is huge DennisOl: Hold on, Nina, and I'll get the address. NinaTL: I am not signed up for B4E VanceS: I drive 4 hours almost any weekend to go diving RitaZ: it is, almost all countries in Europe together can make Arg NinaTL: Since I can't even manage to attend the BaW sessions I think I will not try to start attending B4E sessions NinaTL: I occasionally drive 3 hours in traffic just to get to work and back RitaZ: yeah, Nina, I can never imagine how come people like Daf and others find the time to work so much at the pc VanceS: it's not B4E so much, it's Konrad G NinaTL: Is he very good then? DennisOl left the room (signed off). RitaZ: at WIZIQ, Vance? VanceS: He has some good ideas based on his phd research into blogging with 8th graders NinaTL: Daf seems to have such a big teaching load--but she lives alone, I think, which would make a difference VanceS: his class NinaTL: My husband doesn't appreciate being ignored when I am home, and my daughter needs help with homework and loves to spend hours reading aloud to me NinaTL: I am not blogging again this semester but I plan to play around with audio applications with my overload class, beginning L&S DennisOl joined the room. NinaTL: wb D RitaZ: yes, and work, and housework, and errands, and other friends, how on earth do they manage!!!?? NinaTL: I have already tried narrated ppt with them NinaTL: no idea, Rita! DennisOl: Hi. I hit the wrong button. NinaTL: and I plan to have a go with chinswing and voicethread DennisOl: Here's the URL for the Glogowski session at WiZiQ: DennisOl: http://tiny.cc/fXQI5 NinaTL: I would like to try audioblogging but it would have to be very simple RitaZ: THNK YOU, dear Dennis (as usual, eveready!) DennisOl: Rita: Well . . . kind of. DennisOl: But I often have too many windows open and forget which one is which. NinaTL: Four students are Qataris with no typing skills and one is a Vietnamese whose idea of responding to a simple question is to parrot it back to me! DennisOl: I'm sure the Qataris would love an audioblog. RitaZ: Qataris?? DennisOl: Why don't you contact Teresa to find out how she handles audio recordings for her "Have Fun with English" blog. NinaTL: Dennis, btw, thanks for contributing to my "favorites" thread in chinswing--I haven't been there yet but saw that you had VanceS: from Qatar, in the Gulf NinaTL: Qatarais, yes NinaTL: Qataris DennisOl: Nina: No problem. I enjoyed it. RitaZ: thanks, Vance :-) NinaTL: Did you hear about the guyr who wrote a book about relative happiness in different cultures? (The Geography of Bliss) DennisOl: No, but I'd like to read it. RitaZ: wow, sounds interesting!! NinaTL: He wrote that people in Qatar are particularly unhappy DennisOl: I'd be interested to read what he has to say about Slavs. NinaTL: also Moldova (the unhappiest of all) DennisOl: I wonder why in both cases. NinaTL: ERic WEiner is the author NinaTL: Here's the quote from the review: NinaTL: "...the wealthy citizens of Qatar lead pampered, joyless lives in a 'gilded sandbox' DennisOl: Here's a link: DennisOl: http://www.ericweinerbooks.com/content/book.asp?id=desc RitaZ: what a strange combination..., pampered and joyless..., I like being pampered! ;-) DennisOl: What does he say about Moldovans? NinaTL: The cultures Weiner found to be happiest included Bhutan, Iceland DennisOl: Interesting! NinaTL: and Thailand has an official "Gross Domestic Happiness Index", altho he does not specify whether that means they are happy or not! NinaTL: "Moldovans are miserable because they 'derive more pleasure from their neighbor's failure than from their own success' DennisOl: How sad! DennisOl: I wonder if it's also because of a struggle for national identity. NinaTL: Well, too much pampering results in spoiling, and I don't think anyone would claim that spoiled kids are happy kids NinaTL: I want to read the book; it sounds interesting to me DennisOl: I mean, there's Moldova and Moldavia and Romania. RitaZ: hmmmmm, too much of everything spoils us...;-) DennisOl: And Moldova and Moldavia both consider themselves separate, but Romania considers them part of Romania. NinaTL: I'm interested in individual happiness also, how some people seem to be chemically predisposed to be happier or sadder RitaZ: thats interesting, yes, Nina DennisOl: "Chemically predisposed." Yes, I imagine that's exactly what it is. VanceS: Just got back with a glass of iced tea and read these piquant remarks RitaZ: so your view, Vance? NinaTL: I've just finished an awesome audiobook, "Born on a Blue Day" DennisOl: "Piquant remarks and iced tea." Sounds like the first line of poem. NinaTL: have any of you ever heard of the British savant, Daniel Tammet? VanceS: I work with Emiratis and they do like to have fun DennisOl: Is he the number savant? NinaTL: What's your impression of Qataris, vance? NinaTL: Number and language savant NinaTL: He learns foreign languages extremely quickly NinaTL: He learned enough Icelandic in one week to be interviewed on national TV enntirely in Icelandic VanceS: I'm impressed with al jazira as being the first truly inquisitive journalistic effort in the region outside Egypt NinaTL: and he memorized the digits of pi to 22,514 (it took him 3 months and required over 5 hours to recite) DennisOl: I saw a documentary on him. VanceS: In my brief stay in Qatar I didn't find where I was to be that stimulating NinaTL: I've since seen a couple of YouTube videos NinaTL: His book is really interesting DennisOl: It showed a clip of the Icelandic TV show: amazing! DennisOl: He has a blog, by the way: DennisOl: http://www.optimnem.co.uk/blog/index.php RitaZ: your memory to remember that is amazing, Nina, I wouldnt even try to! :-( VanceS was waiting for Dennis's link DennisOl: http://www.optimnem.co.uk/blog/index.php NinaTL: He also has Asperger's, so reading it gave me a little more insight into Vicki's world, since NLD is very similar to AS NinaTL: I recommend it to all of you NinaTL: He created Optimnem for language teaching RitaZ: thank you, Dennis :-) DennisOl: If I remember correctly, he says his perception of numbers is as shapes and colors. NinaTL: and he has also invented his own language DennisOl: My pleasure, Rita! NinaTL: Yes, kind of mental visual landscapes DennisOl: Wow! I didn't know that, Nina. NinaTL: That is how he did the pi recitation, kind of walking through those mental pictures NinaTL: He has synesthesia NinaTL: And what a brave guy, after barely being able to leave home due to anxiety, he traveled alone to Lithuania when he was about 19 as an EFL volunteer, lived there a year and learned the language DennisOl: synesthesia: DennisOl: http://ultralingua.com/online-dictionary/index.html?service=ee&text=synesthesia DennisOl: Lithuanian is a difficult language! NinaTL: so is Icelandic, I'm told RitaZ: th/ eveready Dennis never fails....:-)) NinaTL: He has a prodigious memory for many things DennisOl: And the people in Iceland say that Icelandic is impossible for foreigners to learn. RitaZ: oops NinaTL: but the high point in his life was meeting Kim Peek, the savant on whom Dustin Hoffman's character in Rainman was based DennisOl: Yes, I saw part of that meeting in a TV documentary. NinaTL: Kim Peek cannot take care of himself at all, but he reads two pages of books at the same time, understanding both, and can dictate one essay while simultaneously writing another one on a different topic NinaTL: and he remembers everything he has ever read! DennisOl: Kim Peek: DennisOl: http://www.mymultiplesclerosis.co.uk/misc/kimpeek.html NinaTL: Reminds me of when my daughter told me she could listen to an audiobook and read a different book because she could "split her brain" NinaTL: I don't know if she can really do that, but Kim Peek can DennisOl: There are YouTube videos on Kim Peek. Probably Daniel Tammet, too. RitaZ: it seems that Nature somehow compensates disabilities... NinaTL: Yes, I have seen several already DennisOl: I wouldn't be surprised if your daughter CAN do that, Nina. NinaTL: Well she is no savant! NinaTL: but who know,s perhaps she can DennisOl: Who knows indeed? NinaTL: Her brain is definitely different from mine NinaTL: She perceives the world very differently NinaTL: I would love to be able to experience her world as a tourist but I wouldn't want to stay there NinaTL: It's not easy DennisOl: I wonder how often that happens. More often than we think, I imagine. RitaZ loves to hear about different perceptions...., whose is THE one? VanceS: are you keeping a record? NinaTL: I read that there are no more than 50 savants in the world, perhaps fewer NinaTL: like 15 NinaTL: 25 I mean RitaZ: me, vance?? NinaTL: Yes, think about color perception VanceS: no, Nina, about raising Vicki NinaTL: Just because we see certain colors doesn't mean other animals (or even some people) see the same ones DennisOl: Back in a few minutes. Need to re-fill my coffee cup. NinaTL: not really, vance NinaTL: I thought about starting a blog when she got her NLD diagnosis last May NinaTL: but I decided it would be too intrusive even if I changed names VanceS: writing would probably help you understand and get closer to the problem VanceS: personal diary, blog ... NinaTL: I just have a notebook to record when she does stuff (like learning to tie her shoes, sort of, when she was entering middle school) VanceS: I mean, private or public NinaTL: I read a lot about it VanceS: Thing about blogging is the long tail effect NinaTL: I am on a very active YG called NLD-in-Common and I read a lot about NLD and also Aspergers and autism (like Temple Grandin's books) NinaTL: How do you mean? NinaTL: At the moment we are still struggling with the school placement issue VanceS: It sounds like you're doing this already, but I meant that with blogging you might meet others in a similar situtation by being able to tag blog posts NinaTL: I have met a lot of people, both parents of kids with NLD/AS and adults with NLD/AS on this YG VanceS: blogging appeals to the long tail, or niche interests NinaTL: I never heard that expression before VanceS: Mark Anderson VanceS: Wired Magazine NinaTL: On another note I just looked at twitter and realized Claire's mom died NinaTL: Was it sudden? VanceS: Sorry, I was racing Dennis here: http://www.thelongtail.com/ VanceS outdraws Dennis, shoots first NinaTL: LOL VanceS: Chris Anderson, not Mark VanceS: Yes I saw Claire's note a few days back RitaZ: didnt know that, ws she ill? VanceS: her mom died, and she said in her posting that she was taking a cue from me NinaTL: ? VanceS: that it was 'time' NinaTL: So perhaps she was ailing DennisOl: Good shooting, Vance! DennisOl: I'm SO sorry to hear about Claire's mom. Haven't checked Twitter in a day or two. RitaZ: "wonders what to take a cue from sb" means DennisOl: To use someone's experience to know how to deal with a situation. RitaZ: ah, thanks, Dennis! ;-) DennisOl: (to use someone ELSE's experience to know . . . .) DennisOl: My pleasure. NinaTL: When I check twitter I don't generally take time to scroll down! Kind of misses the point but time is precious NinaTL: and if you really take time to explore all the links it could easily turn into hours VanceS: I check Twitter in the morning about two pages back which is about half the time I was asleep DennisOl: I check everything new briefly and check some links, but you're right: it takes time. RitaZ: dont like Twitter that much either VanceS: I love twitter, another way to get ideas DennisOl: Sometimes I feel that Twitter is a kind of competition. At other times, I feel the same as Vance. VanceS: Ideas just 'come' to me DennisOl: It's a GREAT way to get ideas. VanceS: they come to me in podcasts VanceS: in twitter VanceS: at tapped in DennisOl: Interesting, Vance. VanceS: in blogs RitaZ might be needs to devote more time to it VanceS: it's not like you have to catch everything VanceS: if you catch SOMEthing you've won VanceS: when you fish do you need to catch them all? DennisOl: Ideas just 'come' to me, too—usually kind of on their own, in a flash of intuition. VanceS: i find intuition is stimulated by podcasts and twitter DennisOl: But then that intuition often needs time to "percolate." VanceS: if I go offline it's the VPN DennisOl: (to develop) DennisOl: VPN??? VanceS left the room (signed off). Room: TI_Reception VanceS joined the room. VanceS looks like he just got run over by a VPN DennisOl: The WiZiQ session has started. DennisOl: I'm going there. JeffC left the room (signed off). VanceS: I'm going there and staying here too DennisOl: There was actually a calendar problem and it started an hour earlier than I thought. DennisOl: So see you at WiZiQ. VanceS: yep and here too RitaZ: ok, Dennis, thanks, bye, CU there! DennisOl: OK, folks. CU there! DennisOl left the room (signed off). VanceS: ok, I'm launching the WiZiQ session as well, but not dashing out of here for it RitaZ: Im leaving as well, Vance and Nina, joining WIZIQ VanceS: what was that URL that Dennis gave us earlier VanceS: or does anyone have it handy RitaZ: http://www.wiziq.com/TutorSession/Session_Details.aspx?JuX%2bgH%2b2GbaPbPk67qqy0jLFU31jYsMFo1bfLVo7zzBakS%2bxBGhBw9l%2fJ9RQ2Fuv48QQoVEm4vkdpZ734HMl8E94KlfELNhqDAJ8TOqZqtl4sYyJcK4rtA%3d%3d RitaZ: ok? VanceS: yeah DennisOl joined the room. VanceS: perfect NinaTL: Okay, I will try to catch up with YG digests before Week 5 starts VanceS: Hi Dennis wb DennisOl: The WiZiQ session HASN'T started. NinaTL: LOL VanceS: oh DennisOl: Well, it has, but it also hasn't! NinaTL: Here we are zooming around in cyberspace, hopelessly confused all of us VanceS: they are setting up? DennisOl: It's open, but only for set-up. DennisOl: Carla Raguseo is there, and also Cris Costa. VanceS: ok, well I'll tell them when I get in that you had us all dash over there NinaTL: Vance, any more to say re: WiAOC proceedings? VanceS :-) NinaTL: I think I just don't have time to deal with it VanceS: WiAOC proceedings is on a slow sizzle VanceS: it's not the most pressing thing I have to do NinaTL: Originally Eliz told me get it to her by August 2007 BeyzaY joined the room. NinaTL: I sent what I sent but I think it's not suitable DennisOl: Beyza! NinaTL: Hi Beyza DennisOl: Merhaba! NinaTL hugs Beyza BeyzaY: hi everyone BeyzaY: hugsss NinaTL: I can't work on it now BeyzaY: merhaba Dennis umarım iyisindir VanceS: Hi Beyza NinaTL: Even after BaW ends, I have this damn selfstudy which I am hopelessly behind on NinaTL: plus the second overload class NinaTL: I can't see any time to do anything major NinaTL: If it's a couple of tweaks maybe but otherwise no BeyzaY: hi Vance VanceS: TESL-EJ has a sort of flexible production schedule NinaTL: LOL RitaZ: Ive just spoken with Carla R, the mod this week, theyre starting in 40 min BeyzaY: in wiziq? VanceS: they would LIKE to get the March issue out on March 1 NinaTL: How quaint VanceS: but normally it comes out toward the end of the month NinaTL: I don't even really remember what I sent VanceS: we have 4 or 5 papers in hand for the proceeds VanceS: so there's room, but we can go with what we've got as well NinaTL: If you have it and see that it really just needs tweaking then let me know NinaTL: but if it needs redoing, forget it! VanceS: did you send one to Elizabeth? DennisOl: Beyza: I understood "umarım" and "iyi," but I don't know how to put them together to understand the entire sentence. NinaTL: I sent it last August, yes, but never heard from her VanceS: well send it to me if you like, I don't have it BeyzaY: well it means sth like "I hope you are fine NinaTL: After a long while she suggesting some change and I asked a question, and never heard from her NinaTL: so I forgot about it BeyzaY: ımarım stands for I hope DennisOl: Teşekkür ederim NinaTL: I am not sure if it is here or at work NinaTL: I will need to check BeyzaY: rica ederim NinaTL: if I remember NinaTL: !!! BeyzaY: I'm sure ull expand your Turkish this year NinaTL: My friend nedret is coming for a visit tomorrow VanceS: incidentally Rita, the url you gave me logs me in as Carla and is not allowed because she is already there NinaTL: I am looking forward to spending time with her DennisOl: Iyiyem! How do you say "Thank God"? BeyzaY: I intend to have an Ma in teaching Turkish as a second language BeyzaY: Allah sukur RitaZ: but you casn change her name for yours, V DennisOl: I think you'll be very good at it. NinaTL: Excuse me--I've got to go NinaTL: See you all next week! NinaTL left the room (signed off). BeyzaY: and that are a hasnt been expplored a lot VanceS: doh! BeyzaY: cya Nina DennisOl: So can I say "Iyiyemm—Allah sukur"? BeyzaY: there arent any Turkish coursebooks to teach it as a foregin language BeyzaY: iyiyim Allaha sukur BeyzaY: or you can say BeyzaY: iyiyim sukur RitaZ is impressed by Dennis´s versatily DennisOl: OK. Got it! BeyzaY D DennisOl: I have a whole set of notes on various languages. My Turkish notes grow every week, thanks to my good teacher (Beyza). BeyzaY: is there a BAW session today? BeyzaY: no u re a really good learner Dennis DennisOl: Beyza, it was really nice to hear your voice in the BaW VoiceThread exercise. BeyzaY: higly motivated DennisOl: I'm highly motivated and very persistent (stubborn, some would say). BeyzaY: it was a really creative activity DennisOl: Yes, very. VanceS: There's an interesting interview with the voice thread guys, Ben and Steve DennisOl: There were photos of various BaW participants and the idea was to identify them. DennisOl: Tell us more, Vance. VanceS: on Wesley Fryer's podcast recently VanceS: they've also been on worldbridges DennisOl: Thanks. VanceS: in the Fryer one they explained the depth associated with each button DennisOl: For example? VanceS: they designed it so users could do the obvious in seconds DennisOl: Interesting. VanceS: but explore and encounter much greater versatility WendyGst15 joined the room. DennisOl: Hmmm. DennisOl: Hi, Wendy. Welcome! VanceS: my greatest accomplishment so far is to find the video voicethread DennisOl: I find that I run into problems if I have multiple cancellations of a post. VanceS: what voicethread are you talking about now? DennisOl: Part of a post will be cut off and will then show up unexpectedly in later posts. VanceS: uh oh DennisOl: VoiceThread in general. RitaZ: Hi, Wendy BeyzaY: Hİ WENDY DennisOl: But my real problem is that I try to record too much. BeyzaY: is it possible to edit a voicethread BeyzaY: cut some parts? DennisOl: "Dennis, thy name is Loquacious." WendyGst15: Hello everyone! DennisOl: I don't think so, Beyza, but I could be wrong. ThomasLev joined the room. DennisOl: As far as I know, you just cancel one recording and then do it again. DennisOl: Tom! How's thangs? RitaZ: hi, Tom VanceS: Hi Tom ThomasLev: hello- good! DennisOl: Where are you chatting from, Wendy? (I'm in Phoenix, Arizona, U.S.A.) DennisOl: Terrific, Tom! BeyzaY: hi Tom VanceS: in the interview they were talking about giving people an option of 'cloning' their voice threads in case you had one you wanted to spend more time on, a course intro for example DennisOl: What a fascinating idea! VanceS: maybe that would lend itself to what Beyza wants WendyGst15: I am in Perry, Ohio - in the middle of a blizzard BeyzaY: I've jsut added a powerpoint presentation to voicthread and recorded my voices to each slide VanceS: Ben and Steve seem very keen to learn from the community and adapt their product DennisOl: No blizzards in Phoenix, Wendy! Keep warm! BeyzaY: hmm DennisOl: Sounds terrific, Beyza! VanceS: I'm in Abu Dhabi, haven't seen a blizzard round here in a long time VanceS: though we did have a sand storm a couple of weeks back DennisOl: Tebrikler! ThomasLev: in Carbondale Illinois- ice storm coming tomorrow DennisOl: About a week ago, I think we actually had some snow here. BeyzaY: tesekkurelr RitaZ: nice weather down here :-) DennisOl: If so, though, it was very wet snow mixed with rain. DennisOl smiles BeyzaY: but my intonation is terrible BeyzaY: always in the same tone DennisOl: (at Beyza's response) DennisOl: Your intonation didn't sound terrible in the BaW activity. BeyzaY: I'm crating a context for u to speak Turkish Dennis DennisOl: I thought so! RitaZ: Im leaving, guys, bye all, CU later maybe at WIZIQ WendyGst15: I am here to visit for my master's program - what do you do here? Is it worth your time? DennisOl: Iyi dusuncelerin icin teşekkurler! BeyzaY: rica ederim RitaZ: its always worth being with friends, Wendy :-) DennisOl: I think it's worthwhile, Wendy. ThomasLev: take care, Rita! BeyzaY: gule gule Rita BeyzaY: hugs ThomasLev: definitely worthwhile, Wendy DennisOl: Take care, Rita! Ay te wacho! VanceS: bye Rita DennisOl manda un abrazo muy grande RitaZ hugs all warmly RitaZ left the room (signed off). VanceS: we've been here at this time every sunday for almost ten years now BeyzaY: when's the wiziq session? VanceS: I certainly hope it's worthwhile DennisOl: Beyza: In a little less than 30 minutes. DennisOl: I think it's highly worthwhile. WendyGst15 left the room. DennisOl: We build community feelings, learn of new resources, ask questions and get opinions. DennisOl: Maybe she'll come back. WendyGst15 joined the room. DennisOl: Welcome back, Wendy. VanceS: it's hard to explain what we do here VanceS: it has to do with distributed learning networks VanceS: professional development BeyzaY: I2ve been here almost a year and it has really been helpful to share ideas VanceS: communities of practice WendyGst15: I did not expect to leave - oops BeyzaY: and to reflect upon what we're doing VanceS: this is just one space we populate DennisOl: We strength our sense of community, learn about new resources, ask questions and make comments, get opinions and reflections . . . . VanceS: we're about to go to WiZiQ, you can join us Wendy DennisOl: Oops: We strengthen , , , , VanceS: you can stay here and be there simultanously BeyzaY: can u paste the link to wiziq here Vance? WendyGst15: What is that and how? BeyzaY: I2m behind as usual VanceS: let me see if I can find the link ThomasLev: the people I work with in real life don't try new technology, except for grading database BeyzaY: same here Thomas VanceS: maybe here: http://www.wiziq.com/TutorSession/Session_Details.aspx?JuX%2bgH%2b2GbbxubFSb4u0Arv4i7RR2sZOMKAbm%2ftWA%2fT1SEs1XFKwZ1M0jG85QKzotYnOJs2eaedN0IcimtWWYA%3d%3d BeyzaY: I 'm trying to break the resistance DennisOl: Our chats may seem disorganized and without a clear direction, but we all profit, I think, from getting input about a variety of (unexpected) topics. DennisOl: I'll get a shorter URL. Hold on. VanceS: we had some guys from DimDim visit the PI this afternoon and we couldn't get anyone interested in visiting with them BeyzaY: PI? VanceS: Petroleum Institute, where I work in Abu Dhabi WendyGst15: I am surrounded by the same - I am the only teacher with an e-mail BeyzaY: SORRY DennisOl: Here's a sorter URL for the WiZiQ session: DennisOl: http://tiny.cc/fXQI5 VanceS: teachers without eMail? That IS luddite! VanceS: how often do you have to go to the post office? DennisOl: Re the DimDim visit: amazing! WendyGst15: If they had it they could never check it VanceS: where do you work? ThomasLev: My father was a chemical engineer- he always hated the people he worked with DennisOl: We've had many discussions, Wendy, about how resistant to change many educators are. ThomasLev: i consider it need to be in control WendyGst15: In a Catholic School in a wealthy suburb of Cleveland - I am not Catholic and I need to get out! DennisOl: How afraid many educators seem to be about adopting new (for them) tools and skills. BeyzaY: yes BeyzaY: I need to go wiziq now BeyzaY: nice to see you here all ThomasLev: be there in a minute! VanceS: why not stay here too? WendyGst15: I respect their skills - but what kind of example are they setting... BeyzaY: I may not be able to catch up VanceS: that's exactly it wendy BeyzaY: but if I can handle it DennisOl: You're in a difficult situation, Wendy. VanceS: teachers need to model multiliteracies DennisOl: It reminds me of something that existed a number of years ago somewhere in South America (don't remember where—maybe Argentina). DennisOl: There was a school run by Russian nuns. DennisOl: Classes were in Russian and one of the subjects was History. VanceS: each time I try to visit WiZiQ it tells me the screen name CarlaR is already in use DennisOl: Russian History stopped before the revolution! DennisOl: Sign in to WiZiQ under your own name, Vance. DelinC joined the room. VanceS: ok, will try DennisOl: Then you should be able to enter the session as Vance, not as Carla! DennisOl: Hi, Delin! DelinC: Hi, How are you all? DennisOl: Happy New Year! DennisOl: Good, thanks, Delin. ThomasLev: Maybe those nuns left Russia in 1910 without taking any books with them DelinC: Hi. what's topic to be discussed? DennisOl: I think that's exactly what happened, Tom. BeyzaY left the room (signed off). ThomasLev: Hi Delin! DennisOl: And I think Russia, for them, stopped when the Tsarist Era ended. DennisOl: We were talking about the resistance of many educators to learning new skills and tools, Delin. DelinC: oh! good points ThomasLev: topic: teachers closed to technology (& technologists closed to everything else) DennisOl: I like the second part of what you said, Tom. That's a VERY important consideration! WendyGst15: Got to go -baby is up - thank you everyone -bye DennisOl: Take care, Wendy. Good luck! VanceS: bye DennisOl: And come back next Sunday! WendyGst15 left the room (signed off). VanceS: I reached WiZiQ with Dennis's help DennisOl: Great, Vance! I'm going there now. DennisOl: http://tiny.cc/fXQI5 DennisOl: Sign in to WiZiQ and you can enter with your own name. DennisOl: Bye . . . . . DennisOl left the room (signed off). DelinC: So I can get in Tiny.cc? VanceS: yes, at the end, put in your own name DelinC: ok. Did you have any session on there? ThomasLev: I can't seem to get the tiny url to work VanceS: http://www.wiziq.com/TutorSession/Session_Details.aspx?JuX%2bgH%2b2GbbxubFSb4u0Arv4i7RR2sZOMKAbm%2ftWA%2fT1SEs1XFKwZ1M0jG85QKzotYnOJs2eaedN0IcimtWWYA%3d%3d VanceS: try that one DelinC left the room (signed off). DelinC joined the room. DelinC left the room (signed off). DelinC joined the room. DelinC: Vance. Can you again show your website just now? I don't remeber it which address? VanceS: do you mean the link to the WiZiQ chat? VanceS: http://www.wiziq.com/TutorSession/Session_Details.aspx?JuX%2bgH%2b2GbbxubFSb4u0Arv4i7RR2sZOMKAbm%2ftWA%2fT1SEs1XFKwZ1M0jG85QKzotYnOJs2eaedN0IcimtWWYA%3d%3d DelinC: thanks! DelinC: It's toolong website. So I must get into here to be linked the WIZIQ chat? ThomasLev: I also am having trouble- because my wife's laptop is blocking popups, maybe... DelinC: I can't copy the address and not key it completely. So I have some trouble, too. ThomasLev: It's an I before the 5, I as in I am having trouble SelenaGst15 joined the room. SelenaGst15: Hello ThomasLev: Hi Selena ThomasLev: Webheads are meeting in a WiziQ session SelenaGst15: OK SelenaGst15 left the room (signed off). ThomasLev: http://tiny.cc.fXQI5 DelinC: Bye! I transfer to WiZiQ! Bye! DelinC left the room (signed off). ThomasLev left the room (signed off). VanceS left the room (signed off). 2008.02.10 06:45:40 Signoff